Wednesday, January 21, 2009
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The purpose of this blog is to provide the author, Jay Moreno, with an outlet to comment upon items of socio-political and socio-economic import in Camden County, Georgia and to generally satisfy a daily compulsion to write. HISTORIC WATERFRONT, ST. MARYS, GA.
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- Jay Moreno
- St. Marys, Georgia, United States
- 66 y/o male, college grad. Bachelor of General Studies with minor in political science, Armstrong Atlantic State University; post-baccalaureate teacher certification program, AASU; Georgia state certified teacher: Middle Grades; Middle Grades Social Studies; Middle Grades Language Arts; Political Science (6-12); and Economics (6-12). Currently pursuing bachelor of Science in Public Administration from College of Coastal Georgia. Navy and Vietnam veteran (Hospital Corpsman, NEC 8404). Former HMC, USNR-R. Various Navy Leadership and Management schools. Disabled, and in a wheelchair since April, 2004, A/C Guillain-Barre syndrome. Eclectic interests.
22 comments:
jay, we can now see if its a different game or players.
will favors go out for this deputy?
im willing to bet it would be several charges on everyone else
hunting at night
firing from public road
hunting from a car
if this would of happened on bills watch what would you be screaming.
rather he fired the shot or not everyone knows it is against the law to hunt at night.
so a deputy going to sit there and watch a crime think about it
is that right or wrong??
lets see if the right thing is done
seapro
Birds of a feather, flock together
Obviously, you have already decided what "the right thing" would be. Why don't you tell us what that is and we'll see if first, the DA, secondly, a judge or jury (if it goes that far, and, lastly, Sheriff Gregory, all live up to your expectations.
Note that the deputy involved was not a Gregory hire: he's one of Smith's.
This does NOT look good for Sheriff Gregory he campaign on the promise of have law abiding employees. This deputy does NOT fit into that statement.
I'm aware that he is tied into the good ol boy system so they are busy trying to water the situation down. But him being drunk and sitting in the back of the car is no excuse. That's why he was tickedted along with everyone else.
This situation equates to one person goes in the store an commits robbery, while the other person remains in the car. When the police pursue the car they don't say "One committed the robbery but the other one is innocent because he didn't get out of the car."
i did not say tommy hired this person. but he does work for tommy now right?
if this would of happened 6 months ago i think it would be fine for this person to be put on leave w/o pay until dnr presented case to judge.
the right thing to do is not break or let anyone break law.
i dont let my guest keep redfish over 23". even thou i did not catch it if its over 23" it is released after taken a picture.
im not say to fire this person but this is a crime with a gun involved. i just think i would have to put a short rope on this.
seapro
ps be honest what would you have said 6 months ago
How does this reflect negatively on Sheriff Grgory - and please be speciifc. Has he violated his purported pledge to have law abiding employees? Would you have him fire the guy before trhe DA decides whether or not to bring charges. Suppose the sheriff fires the guy today, then he is either not charged with anything, or charged with a misdeameanor and acquited. Does he get rehired wiht back pay? Does he sue the sheriff. Does letting him continue to work - especially gien that he is not himself a DNR ranger - in any way endanger the public? Of course not. The sheriff - who may very well fire the guy in the end - is, in my opinion, doing exactly the right thing until such time as the DA comes to a decision on the case.
No they are not at all related, but I have personally seen Bill Smith pull into a Jacks Minit Mart, get a cold beer in a little brown bag, and drive off down the dirt road to a hunting lodge drinking it IN HIS COUNTY VEHICLE. There dif not seem to be much outrage among Thuggies the first or second time I told this story in writing.
And Tommy "Sea Pro' Weaver, I would have said exactly the same thing six months ago with regards to due process for the officer involved.
Well, I'll say this. They said he was trapped in the back seat with no control over the situation. That is hard to believe. He got into the car he knew they had a shot gun. He should be put on a leave status pending an investigation. You cannot tell me he unknowingly broke the law. This stinks to high heaven.
If anyone can read between the lines there will be no due process. Judge Gillette will throw it out. You can figure that out after reading his statement in the GTU.
This deputy is just a guilty as the one that pulled the trigger. He knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it, and the ones with him knew they could get by with it with him in the vehicle or they would never had done it with a deputy in the car with them. Why hasn't the other 2 names been released. also this deputy has "family ties" to other employees at the county including the sheriff office.
I do agree with part of how Tommy is handling the case, waiting for the outcome but the deputy should have been put on leave or desk duty until then.
jay, you have to be kidding you and rick rogers have been saying for months the "top brass" at ccso should be fired and put in jail for things that have not even been charged with.
now on your last statement we should wait for due process which i agree with you on waiting before letting him go. but you cant sweep it under the rug. a state police has charged this person with fire hunting.
it just looks like double standards to me you are holding.
ill let your readers make their minds up on that.
trust me on this: my educated readers (of whom there are many - one of whom I had a delightful conversation with just outside Aunt Bee's earlier today)with a knowledge of American juris prudence perse and the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in particualr, know that both my and Sheriff Gregory's positions on this matter are exactly correct.
As to your specious assertion that I wanted the top brass fired and jailed in that order, here are the facts. Iwanted - and still want -thjem to be indicted, tried, convicted, fired (though now that is a moot point), sentenced, and imprisoned, in that order. In other words, I would have them afforded due process as well. try as you desperately might, you will find not one scintilla of intellectual inconsistency in my positions on the two matters. Nice try, though.
Refgarding Judge Gillette and due process: Well, if iot is in Judge Gillette's baliwick ( and it is - I just checked), then he is, in fact, the legally, constitutionally designated "tryer of fact" for cases brought by the DNR for game law violations, and after hearing the facts, he decides the case one way or another - including acquital - then his decsion, by definition, constitutes legal due process. So, what's your point?
Regarding the officer knowing they had a shotgun in the car: he probably did. That is neither illegal nor rare in Camden County.
Did he know they wedre heading out to shoot a deer at night? Maybe, maybe not.
True story: I graduated from highschool when I was seventeen. That summer, I got my first real job, my first real car, and my first serious girlfriend - an older woman, nearly 19 year old, red-headed Alice. She had a best friend Sandra. Sandra dated a 22 year old wild man named Woody from Richmond Hill. He folsk owned the Eagle's Nest Truckstop on Hwy 17. Woody lived fast and furious. He evenetually got killed on his motorcycle on Hwy 17 before he reached 24. But on one particular summer night, the four of us were out riding around Richmon Hill in Woody's car with a six pack (or two) of beer. As we were right around mammy's Kitchen on Hwy 17, Woody suddenly pulled down a dirt road and then into a field of high broomstraw grass. I thought we were going to "park." The next thing I knew, Woody slammed on the brakes and leapt out of the car, headed for the truck. IOut ther ein the field, I could see the unmistakable eyes of a deer in the headlights. The next thing I kenw, I heard the blast of the 12 guage Woddy had retrieved fron the trunk. He then sprinted out into the field, grabbed up the doe by the feet, raced back and threw it into the trunk. He took it home, hung it up in their very own smokehouse, and it was later consumed. No one was the wiser.
Now, is it your contention that I not only should have been ticketed had Woody been caught, ( as the DNR officer was legally bound to do) , but prosecuted, convicted and fined as well? How about the two girls in the car?
Before you answer, you might want to Google "mens re."
oops!. I knew that did not look quite right. Google "mens rea" instead.
jay i you may want to google dnr website it tells everything that they were charged with and how they got it.
they heard the shot watched the 3 get out of car. now that that has been posted on dnr website it could open alot of doors for people just watching others firehunt if only on the shooter can be charged.
but regarding our dnr rangers you will not find any that is more fair than the ones we have.
but this is going to suck for either tommy,judge or our dnr rangers if this is dropped.
i cant see dnr rangers dropping all 3 charges
seapro
It would help if when youy reference a site, you post a link, Thanks.
website "georgiawildlifr.dnr.state.ga.us/enforcement.aspx "
go to weekly operations and see eveyone dnr wrote a ticket on. look at some of the duck hunting after dark 2 people charged but only 1 gun.so if you are saying one is wrong then both should be wrong. see the doors that this could open.
take the blinders off and you can see it.
Jay,
Here is the link for the DNR website that someone did not post. http://www.georgiawildlife.org/documentdetail.aspx?docid=589&pageid=1&category=enforcement
If you click on the January 4-10, 2009 PDF form and look at the last page, #11, it shows Camden County and an incident from Jan. 4. Not sure if that is the correct one but that is the only one I see. The Jan 11-17, 2009 file only has something about crabbers. Just thought I would help ya with the link. Have a good one. Keep up the good work.
if i ever start drinking and dont want to drive. catch a ride with john doe he goes to flash foods and robs it shooting the clerk. you are saying i should go free of all charges.
You would no doubt be charged as an accomplice by the arresting officer - and rightly so. However, if there is strong enough evidence to convince a jury that you were, say, thumbing a ride, got picked up by a total stranger, who then pulled into a conveninece store, told youy he was going in for cigarettes then shot the clerk with aboslutely no collusion or forknowledge on your part,then yes, he should be exoneratd and set free. Do I believe the officer in question hads no clue his ex-deputy buddy was headed out to night hunt? Hell no. Do I beleive that the sheriff is handling the situation exactly correctly - waiting unti the officer has his due process in the legal system? Absolutely. Give it up. Your apparent sour grapes ofver Smith's defeat is clearly clouding YOUR judgment, not mine.
what does bill have to do with this?
to me this is more of you backing a deputy that has taken oath to uphold the law,then charged with hunting at night,ect.
i have to agree with "seapro" on this its going to be ugly for ccso,judge,or dnr not sure of the one. people tell me dnr is held to much higher standards so the deputy should be on leave or desk duty until its over.
Repeat after me: "No they are not at all related, but I have personally seen Bill Smith pull into a Jacks Minit Mart, get a cold beer in a little brown bag, and drive off down the dirt road to a hunting lodge drinking it IN HIS COUNTY VEHICLE."
jay, when you take the oath is it for 24/7 or do you get a bye if you been drinking.
ill have to agree with seapro on this one also. something smells fishy.
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