Monday, March 8, 2010

About 75 people show up for 1:00 PM hearing on plurality vs. majority elections in St. Marys.

Much to my surprise, there was standing room only. Folks were backed up out into the hallway. While the majority of those who spoke were in favor of election by majority, a few brave souls stood up and spoke in favor of the status quo.

One of those speaking in favor of plurality elections was, surprisingly (to me, anyway) former Chairman of the Camden County Board of Commissioners, Artie Jones, Jr., who, for those who may not know, is black. Artie stated that racism is alive and well in Camden and all but came out and openly ascribed sinister racial motives to those in favor of majority elections. That was greeted with a chorus of throat clearing in the audience that sounded like a frog pond on an August night.

Adam Jacobson, the used car dealer and head of the local Republican Party once more took it upon himself to be unnecessarily obnoxious while speaking. He had to drag up issues from the first time he spoke. Obviously, he was still for majority elections.

Royal Weaver came prepared to speak - as I suspect he will at all public gatherings between now and July. He used every last second of his alloted five minutes. I'm a little drowsy from my kung pao chicken right now, but, so far as I recall, the upshot of it was that he was for leaving things the way they are.

Towards the end of the remarks from the public, Charlie Smith, Jr. came in from out in the hall and said that he felt compelled to give the council a little history on how we came to have the current system back in 1996. He pointed out that his late partner, Judge Terry Floyd, had been the city attorney at the time. Charlie's recollection was that the federal Department of Justice was breathing down the city's neck to create a minority district and go to plurality voting, both of which they did.
He also opined that even today, the DOJ would take a very dim view of our trying to go back to a majority election system. After Charlie spoke, someone else leapt to the mic before I could get my chair turned on.

After they were done, I went to the mic. I told the mayor and council that I had not planned on speaking (true) but I felt that I had to say a few words in light of some prior speakers' comments. Firstly, I reminded the audience that the folks who were elected in November played by the rules and won under the rules that were extant at the time and that, therefor, they were every bit as "legitimate" as if they had been elected in a majority system and that to continue to imply that they were not was silly and counterproductive.  That produced a few groans from the usual suspects inthe audience.

I then went on to tell them that I, as one of the two plaintiffs in the law suit which successfully overturned the minority voting district (the other was the late former city councilman, Raymond Dyal and the case was handled pro-bono by attorney, Ken Nelms), had a very clear and very different memory than Mr. Smith's of how we came to have the current system. I'm not sure if Charlie was still there or gone by that time. At any rate, here is what really happened. It was in the national news that in response to NAACP and Urban League complaints in some cities with at large systems, the DOJ had not only approved requests for minority districts from minorities, but was likely to impose them in some cases. However, at the time WE were not actually on their radar. But, the corrupt Brandon regime had a harsh critic, Sam Gardner (white), a nurse anethetist at the hospital, who lived downtown and was making it known that he would run for city council in the upcoming elections. He was also critical of the fact that the downtown merchants virtually owned and operated city government at that time.  The Brandon regime hit upon the idea of making a minority district under the guise of fending off DOJ action. The real motivation was to make it impossible for Sam Gardner to be elected by obviously Jerrymandering (the J was intentional) the hell out of the district's boundaries so that it reached out and took in Sam Gardners house. That is exactly what they did. They did it with the minimal required advertising and no fanfare whatsoever. It was done in such a stealthy fashion that the overwhelming majority of voters had no idea that they had pushed a minority district and a switch to plurality voting until the day of the election when folks were shocked to learn that they could not vote for all of the candidates on the ballot. Those in the minority district could only vote fore the at-large mayoral candidate and the one council post assigned to their district. Conversely, folks not living in the minority district could not vote for the candidate(s) running for the post assigned to the minority didstrict.

Charlie's recollection is right about one thing: by 7:00PM on election day, all hell had broken loose.
The next city council meeting was very heated. Trying to cover their asses, the Brandon regime said that the local NAACP had already written to the DOJ, prompting council's noble action. They even produced a copy of the letter supposedly sent by the then preident of the local chapter, a lady named  Mary Stevens (if memory serves me) who happened to live in St. Marys. Well, as luck would have it, they failed to notice that the said Mrs. Stevens was seated in the back of the room. You could have heard a pin drop when she rose and asked if she might see the letter. After she read it, she stated emphatically that she had never seen the letter, much less authored it, and that the signature on it, purported to be hers, was clearly a forgery. It was later revealed that as an NAACP board member, then sitting black St. Marys City Councilman Gerald Roberts had access to the official St. Marys NAACP letterhead the letter was typed upon.

The next day, I got a call from my friend, attorney Ken Nelms, a fellow harsh critic of the Brandon regime, which I had by then taken to referring to in my frequent letters-to-the-editor as "Jerry And the Pirates" - the Pirates being the Downtown Merchants Association, the true owner-operators and principal beneficiaries of city government in those days. He was preparing a law suit, at the request of former city councilman, the late Raymond Dyals, to overturn the new minority district. There was some quirk in the law that required at least to petitioners for that sort of suit. I promptly volunteered.
To tell you the truth, it has been so many years that I can't remember if our suit also requested a return to majority elections. At any rate, we won the quest to have the minority district overturned in Superior Court. Apparently, no one challenged that with DOJ becuase that was the last that was ever heard of a minority district in St. Marys.

I concluded my remarks by saying that the South and the nation had moved way on beyond 19996 and that I doubted very seriously that he DOJ would object to legislation to change back to a majority election system in St. Marys.

And now you know the rest of the story.

Tuesday, 3/9: Here's the GTU coverage.

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2010-03-09/story/st_marys_residents_urge_referendum_on_council_election_methods

I really did speak at the event. I've noted that since my blog has become a competing news source, I would apparently have to speak with my remaining hair on fire to be mentioned in either the T&G or the GTU.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Proving Charlie Smith to have a differnt recollection of the facts was good. Not for Charlie, the Camden Pardnership and the Sea Island Co. But good for those in attendance to realize Charlie is all for Charlie. You can bet the farm that Charlie was on the clock. Money is his god. Also it was interesting to see the council members count heads when last week they were spouting there was no interest. There is no interest in that bunch remaining there.

Anonymous said...

Jay as usual you're right on point!!!! The NAACP never actually authored the letter the hankerchief head you mention in fact created the dcoment amongst his co-conspirators. Artie Jones Jr. has always been and will always be a water carrier for Charlie Smith and David Rainer. They use him in any situation that is unethical or void of public policy.

He received applauds from the above two he carriers water for when the Planning and Zoning Board that he serves on conducted a Public Hearing to allow Charlies client to avoid paying impact fees. And today everyone is talking about how he came front and center for Master Charlie.

Jay Moreno said...

Y'all needn't be so bashful" tell us how you really feel!

Anonymous said...

Jay,

It is my guess that if we had MAJORITY elections with GEOGRAPHICAL posts, this would solve all that ill’s St. (Saint) Marys. It seems to me that the NAACP, Urban League, DOJ, NRA, PGA, NFL, NHL, you get the picture would be happy. I think the Geographical posts solves the problem.

Anno #23

Anonymous said...

So what are your thoughts on Kearn's suggestion of IRV that was talked about by two council members? Know anything about it? I'm shocked, given the amount of space you've devoted on your blog to her, that you didn't even mention it. Suddenly a third method of voting is being considered and you don't think it's worth noting? What's up, Jay?

Jay Moreno said...

Anno #23, I agree completely. I have advocated districts for many years now.

Alex, I do not yet have a firm opinion, but given that it came from an avowed radical leftist such as yourself, I'm immediately skeptical. I was a tad busy yesterday what with attending the 1:00 PM public hearing, the 6:00 PM city council meeting, and running personal errands in between. Fear not - I will look into it in depth.

Jay Moreno said...

Interesting....

IRV Endorsements (Partial)
State and National Organizations [more]
League of Women Voters
Arizona
California
Florida
Massachusetts
Minnesota
North Carolina
South Carolina
Vermont
Washington


Democratic Party Organizations
Alameda County, CA Colorado
California
Maine
Massachusetts
Minneapolis, MN
Progressive Democrats of America
Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles
San Francisco, CA



Republican Party Organizations
Alaska


Green Party

Libertarian Party

ACLU of Southern California

AFL-CIO of New Mexico
Asian Pacific American Legal Center (APALC)

Common Cause
California
Vermont

Grange
Vermont

National Latino Congreso

Sierra Club

Southwest Voter Registration Education Project

Strategic Concepts in Organizing and Policy Education (SCOPE - Los Angeles)

U.S. PIRG

William C. Velasquez Institute

To be continued.

Anonymous said...

You're considered a "fringe lunatic" by the legitimate media. The T & G already has their allotted "FL" space filled by Pasteur Mach. The GTU probably has one also. We just never hear much about him/her.

Jay Moreno said...

So that's it.

Anonymous said...

I hear Artie is setting himself up to run against Charlene.

Anonymous said...

Thank GOD for JIM STEIN. Charlie Smith would really run wild if it were not for Jim standing in his way on many issues.

Jay Moreno said...

That's interesting. Any idea whether he will run as a Democrat or a Republican?

Joyce McCloy said...

The groups pushing instant runoff voting (IRV) will claim that it will "ensure" a majority. That is false, but people tend to accept the word of a "non profit" including FairVote or League of Women Voters - without question.

But the proof is in studying real IRV elections in real life. No need to fall for the theory any more.

When San Francisco adopted IRV, they had to redefine what a "majority" was.

For San Francisco,"majority" is of the "continuing" ballots, not a majority of all ballots:

Majority redefined:

"If no candidate receives a majority of votes from the continuing ballots after a candidate has been eliminated and his or her votes have been transferred to the next-ranked candidate, the continuing candidate with the fewest votes from the continuing ballots shall be eliminated. All votes cast for that candidate shall be transferred to the next-ranked continuing candidate on each voter's ballot. This process of eliminating candidates and transferring their votes to the next-ranked continuing candidates shall be repeated until a candidate receives a majority of the votes from the continuing ballots." SEC. 13.102. - INSTANT RUNOFF ELECTIONS.(D) go to this link and type in the SEC. 13.102 in search box.

In other words, the majority consists of the votes left after others are eliminated. The elimination of ballots and the exhaustion of ballots (the point a ballot does not have choices marked) is part of the reason that in many instant runoff voting elections often suffer majority failure.

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The reason it is so hard to get a real majority with IRV (in the US) is because most voting systems cannot handle more than ranking 3 choices, and by the time votes are eliminated (some never to be counted) there is no way to win with 50% of ballots. But you can create an artificial majority of the remaining "votes".

hannah said...

The traditional media have scripts, based on preconceived notions, which their reporters are supposed to fill in. If a point of view doesn't "fit," it doesn't show up in the paper.
Moreover, since most traditional media are corporations--i.e. artificial persons--they tend to identify with their own kind.
Anyway, I appreciate your perspective on the southern end of the Golden Isles. That you're considering IRV is good. Howard Dean, former Governor of Vermont and presidential candidate, is a strong proponent. It has not, however, prevented Vermonters from electing conservatives to the governor's mansion.