Well, I just got back about 30 minutes ago from an awful dining experience at St. Johns Seafood and Steaks after spending 2 hours and twenty minutes at the TAD meeting. I went just to report, but when it became painfully obvious that the entirety of our elected officials, our city manager, and the Watchdog folks had either not actually read the law or had not understood what they did read, I found that I had to jump in for a quick tutorial. I'll give you the full scoop tomorrow. I just got off the phone with my dear friend and housekeeper, Sarah. She went in locally this morning for a stress test then unexpectedly had to go straight away to the Shands cath lab in Jax for a cardiac catheterization. The good news is no blockages. I'll miss her for the next few days, but I'm greatly relieved to know she's AOK.
Update @ 1305 HRS on Tuesday, 7/21: After numerous interruptions this morning, I've finally finished reading all 86 pages of the proposed MOU. Let me get some lunch, do a little more research, then I'll get back to y'all.
1404 HRS. Here's a good TAD FAQ site: http://www.atlantada.com/buildDev/tadFAQs.jsp#top
1520 HRS: I just finished reading an excellent 82 page report on TADS in Georgia conducted by Georgia State University. I do blieve that this is that same study which Tom Cyphers, on behalf of Watchdogs, presented in voluminous hard copies to each of the elected officials, the city manager and attorney, the paid media reps, (1600 HRS. Just got off the phone with Chip Drury making sure that I had a perfect understanding of what he wants to do.) and Mr. Drury.
http://aysps.gsu.edu/publications/researchatlanta/Ga%20Redevelopment%20Powers%20Law.pdf
1617 HRS. Okay, folks, I'e been studying up on this business all day. I know my biggest readership is from 1700 to 1800 HRS, so I better get crackin'. The mayor and all city councilmen except Bird were there last night. So were the city manager and city attorney as well as the Public Works and Planning and Zoning directors. Once I get in 30 minutes early and get a front row seat, it is difficult for me to look back over my shoulder. I got the feeling it was well attended though. I know I saw Kingfish slink out early so he would not have to face me. Mercifully, he did not speak. Mr. Drury gave his presentation. Having read the law Saturday, I listened intently to see if anything he was putting out was at odds with the facts of the applicable state law. It was not. He was dead on honest and accurate. The only thing I remained a little dubious about at the end of his presentation was how in the world could an abandoned, ante bellum rice plantation qualify as a "redevelopment" project. I told him as much there in the meeting. However, in subsequent reading today, I've learned that the legislature has enthusiastically given developers and sponsoring cities and counties very wide lattitude which now convinces me that the current consensus intent of the legislature is such that neither Mr. Drury nor the city wil have any difficulty passing that sniff test. The problem he is going to have is educating the public on the true nature of TADS, per se, and his in particular, in time for a referendum this year. The first thing needed is to dispel some untruths that are still bouncing around from the last TAD attempt. Let's deal with
the knee jerk opposition's claim that the authority created to handle this TAD (and any subsequent TADS ) will have the power of eminent domain. It will not. The only way that could happen would be if the council did not do its homework and used the existing Downtown Development Authority, which does have eminent domain powers. If they do it correctly, and set up a brand new TAD Authroity, the law specifically states that such an authority will NOT have eminent domain authority and goes on to state specifically that any such power which might be exercised in conjunction with a TAD will be reserved to the city (i.e. city council) and not exceed or differ from their regular powers of eminent domain. Moreover, there is no element of eminnet domain in the Laurel Island plan. You can read it for yourself. Moreover, Mr. Drury has said there is neither an interest nor a need. Okay, so how does a Tax Allocation District Work. Let's use Laurel Island for example. Right now, according to Mr. Drury, the property to be placed in the TAD generates a total of about $120,000 annually in property taxes. When the TAD is approved, the state will set a base value of the property for tax purpsoes. Let's say it is exactly the same 2008 valuation which now generates $120,000 in taxes. So, for the balance of the 40 years it takes to pay of all of the bonds (about which more shortly), the applicable current millage rates for the county, the school board, and, after anexation, St. Marys will be assessed against the base value. That value will not change for 40 years (or sooner if the debt is paid of early). But, as infrastructure is put into place and housing and commercial units are built and sold, the total value of the property will increase. The tax allocation district will be taxed upon the new TOTAL value every year. However, after the taxes are collected, the difference between the taxes generated by the base value and the added "incremental value" will be used to service the debt service on the bonds (pay them off). The bonds may be issued by the city so that the city may then give then entire $140,095,000 of bond proceeds to the developer up front (in seqeuntial disursements as he completes successive phases of the infrastructure). That money will come from the sale of the tax-exempt municipal bonds to private investors, i.e., the big pension funds like the one Drury mentioned last night. There is another method available under the law: the developer issues bonds himself, spends them as he gets them from sales of bonds (build-as-yo-go) then gets reimbursed annually to the extent that TAD incremental revenues exceed the base value revenues. As you can imagine, for Mr. Drury's project to go forward, he will need the version where the city issued the tax-favored municipal bonds so that he has the money up front. Remember, the $140,o95,000 is just for the necessary infrastructure to be put in place before he can go get additional private financing to build the actual homes and businesses.
I'll post the list of such infrastructure costs here shortly. (See top of post).
What are the city's obligations, so far as paying off the bonds? Well, legally, the city is NOT, I repeat NOT, obliged to pledge the "full faith and credit" of the city's general funds to the repayment of the debt. They are only legally obligated to first use the taxes generated within the TAD (by the way, that includes the county and school board taxes) by the incremental value. In any year that those funds are insufficient to pay the debt service, the city may legally use the TAD base generated taxes. If that is still insufficient, the city is NOT, I repeat, NOT, legally required to dip into the general fund to pay the debt service. Legally, the bond holders would just be out of luck. However, as a practical matter, if the city did not voluntarily cough up general funds to cover the debt service, the city's bond rating would take a hit. That would not be the case in the pay-as-you-go version, but that version would be a deal killer for any developer in todays market. Okay, it's 1700 HRS, so I'm posting what I have so far then continuing on.
One thing I found interesting last night when Tom Cyphers got up to speak for the Watchdogs (after Winston Barlow made a very brief non-committal appearance and split for a "previous engagement") was that he questioned the provision of applicable law which says that any given governmental unit is limited in the TADs they can approve to no more than 10% of the community's real ad valorem tax revenues . In other words, if the base amount of taxes for the Laurel Island TAD is only $120,000 now, in order for it to use up the whole 10% allowance, the total tax revenues of St. Marys could be no more than $1.2 million. Clearly, we would be nowhere near the 10% limit if this TAD passes. I found it interesting because , A, Tom and the Watchdogs had misread that section of the law, and B, because I got the feeling that the downtown folks (The Watchdogs) have an interest in a wholly different redevelopement TAD of their own for downtown. If so, they are no doubt torn between shooting this one down (typical downtown dog-in-the-manger-syndrome) or seeing it pass so that they can more easily piggy back on it when a TAD Authority is already established.
After Mr. Drury had made his presentation, replete with lots of expensive, large artist's concept watercolors and arial maps, the city councilmen all asked questions, seriatim, begining with Councilman Johnson and ending with Councilwoman Hase. Having read the law on TADs, it soon became obvious that no one on the council had. I think they were mostly just putting on a "due dilligence" dog-and-pony show for the rubes, especially DeLoughy and Weaver, who are both up for re-election. I could stand it no-longer. Like I said, I had originally come just to report, but I found myself giving the mayor and council a mini-seminar on just how the law actually read and what it actually meant. Both Drury - whom I had never laid eyes on or spoken to before that moment (a fact which, at my request, he confirmed for the council) and his "expert" on TADs he brought down from Atlanta, told me that my explanation was spot on accurate. I also had to educate the Watchdog rep, Tom Cyphers, on a few misreadings his group had as well. Okay, so what are the possible benefits versus the possible risks? Well, we now have way too much water and sewer capacity. You know we are having a bit of a tough time paying for it, as witnessed by the recent water / sewer rate increase in St. Marys. When and if enough homes in the development become water /sewer customers, the city could and should decrease our water/sewer rates for the ENTIRE city. During the 40 years before we would start realizing 100% of the property taxes in the TAD, we would be getting ever -increasing sales taxes from the residents and business owners. In fact, three cents on every dollar spent by new folks at Laurel Island (LOST, SPLOST, and ESPLOST). Building materials would be bought. Tradesmen and laborers would be hired to build it. At the end of 40 years, we would get all of the tax revenues from a projected 1.4 billion dollar development. We landlubbers might have a nice meal or an upscale shopping trip to the island from time-to-time. Okay, so what are the risks? First, abuse of eminent domain is not one of them, as I've already explained. This project would come nowhere near exhausting the "10% maximum" I discussed earlier. If the project precipitously went belly up, the TAD remains with the property. Anyone who came in behind Drury could not only pick up the slack as far as the developemt, but would be eligible to receive any remaining and as yet undisbursed bond funds. Oh, by the way, I don't believe Drury would get he whole $140 mil in one sum, I believe it gets doled out as phases of the infrastructure plan are completed. That helps limit exposure. At any rate, worst case scenario, if it goes to hell in a handbasket, you could be faced with the possibiltiy of a choice between the city defaulting on paying bonds or dipping into the general revenues to avoid a bad bond rating. I think those dire straights would be very unlikely. According to Chip Drury, in my conversation with him today, so far, no TAD project in Georgia has ever failed. Atlanta is eat-up with them. Drury last night proposed to have his own fire and police protection. Bill Shanahan pointed out to him that while he could have private security, Georgia law does not permit private police and fire forces within a city. As time wore on and it got close to build out, we might have to add and extra cop and car or two. No biggie. The increased
LOST and SPLOST revenues and the ad valorem taxes onthe base amount should cover that. Oh, by the way, in the MOU, Drury agress that when he builds structures (i.e, hotel ) up to the 65 foot height limit, if need be he will buy an appropriate hook-an-ladder to put in the fire station he will also pay to build. Tom Cyphers brought up the question of funding more school children, given that the school board would also have to agree to give up taxes from within the TAD on all but the base amount. Drury's response was that these would be mostly older, empty -nesters buying these homes. He's no doubt right, but there might be a few younger professionals and trust fund babies who will be able to afford to live there. His estimate was, at buildout, 60 kids at most. Well, in my reading today, I discovered something that he either did not know or wanted to keep quiet about. Relevant Ga. law has been amended to allow the developer to use some of the TAD money he gets to VOLUNTARILY make annual per capita payments to the school system for every school-aged child living in his TAD for the first 40 years or until all the bonds are paid off, whichever comes sooner. If we install the water and sewer lines from their closest present point to his TAD and he goes belly up, we are stuck with lines producing no revenue. Moreover, there is the initial cost of putting in the lines. Solution: negotiate with him to either cost share or fund the pipes entirely. In conclusion (mercifully), my mind is still open on this one. At this point, barring no futher info to the contrary, I'm beginnig to think that the potential benefits might just justify the risks and that the risks, if handled properly by a competent authority with good counsel, could be held to a minimum. However, as I told Chip Drury this afternoon, he really has his work cut out for him. He not only has to explain this thing in undestandable terms via all possible local media, but he starts at a deficit by having to overcome the false propaganda put out by the usual, knee jerk, anti-progress, dog-in-the-manger types. Special message to Chip Drury: Chip, to really appreciate the kind of genuine misgivings and deliberate falsehoods you will have to overcome, click on this link: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/kingsland-ga/T24E9PDU285EB3KJ1
You should also follow:http://www.topix.com/forum/city/kingsland-ga/TMOAT47B98TA1N62D
Monday, July 20, 2009
Report on the Lilliput TAD MOU meeting.
Click on images to enlarge. By the way, in this first table below, you will see that if projections come true, it is not long before the annual incremental taxes exceed the annual debt service on the bonds. Under the law, the city could either opt to use those funds to pay off the bonds early OR put the excess annual taxes back into the general fund
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According to those who were at the meeting you not only expressed delight at meeting Drury, you appeared to be in favor of his TAD. Make up your mind, Jay.
Jay have you heard about whats going on with the JDA? I can't really make sense of it. Seems like the JDA, St. Marys Council and the owners of the old Gilman property are forming some sort of alliance. Have you heard anything about this
I was at the meeting primarily to report it to you guys - which I will be doing in a little while after I educate myself on a few more relevant facts. When I discovered that as a result of my studies on Saturday, I actually knew more about the law than anyone on council - and most assuredly anyone in the audience, except Mr. Drury and his "expert' from Atlanta, I just had to contribute a few FACTS to the conversation. I know how that sounds, but anyone who was there, if they were honest and not suffering from Jay Derangement Syndrome, would readily admit that that was the case and that the ambient level of ignorance on council was paindfully obvious. Ditto for the Watchdog folks. Patience. I'll be back soon.
Thanks for that tip on the JDA, Lilliput and the old mill property. No, I haven't heard, but I'll look into it.
Jay don't turn your back on the maxium if it sounds too good to be true it ain't so. Of course it would be great but it is just not feasible. An expert is generally a guy 50 miles from home, with a brief case and fifty dollars in his pocket. Of course we would love to have the project here. But this is the worst economic climate we have ever experienced in most of our life times. Think about this. Drury borrowed some 33 million. For several years he offered the lots for sale for $700,000.00. Zero sales. Cumberland Harbor bellied up but at least they sold some lots. It is not feasible. The experts say the localities should conduct a full and careful feasibility, impact, and cost benefit analysis. Do you see any one with the City that can stand against the developer and his experts? Of course it is a great dream. The optiom word is dream. It is an investment scheme. Part of the carrot is a four hundred slip marina and a 20,000 sq. foot spa.
Get real. This is another Landmar waitimg to happen. This would be too high end for Hilton Head. It is, in every sense of the word, totally unrealistic. Pretty pictures wil do it every time.
Patience, please. My housekeeper is out recovering from a cardiac procedure. I've had to do a little housework myhself this morning. That which I can do takes me about three times as long as a walking person. Okay, now, I'm going to study evey word fo the MOU. I've already studeied the law thios past weekend. Then I'm going to read up on the nuts and bolts of private bond financing. When I'm done, I'll teach you guys the actuals facts about TADS per se and this one in particular. Moreover, I'll give you my opinion on whether the city should go for it or not. Patience.
P.S.,
At the end of the meeting, Chip Drury invited me out to a feed he was putting on immediately after the meeting. I declined.
"if handled properly by a competent authroity with good counsel"
Your above statement is why I would vote against this. The JDA will oversee it.
Did you get that from reading it on TOPIX, as I did, or are you the one who put it on TOPIX? Where did you get that from? I've not heard that from any reputable source. Moreover, it makes no sense. Why would a COUNTY Joint Developement Authority manage a CITY TAD? The far more likely scenario is that the city would establish a city TAD Authority. It would manage, or perhaps "adminsiter" is a better term, the Laurel Island TAD but would also be able to administer any subsequent TAD in St. Marys.
"The Atlanta Development Authority (ADA), as the City's redevelopment agent, controls the TAD accounts in cooperation with the City."
Just because it makes no sense to you does'nt mean its not happening. They are using the above format. That's why the JDA is forming an alliance with St. Marys.
You're not part of the inner click. Certain things you will not find out until after the ink is dry. You are no different than any other voter, they just did'nt want you to come out and attack the concept, on your blog. So they are ALL very courteous when you inquire.
I guess it worked because you really did'nt take a stand.
No, I did not take the knee jerk, dog-in-the-manger, anti-progress, anti-damned outsider, GOB stand that you would have preferred. I'm still awaiting further decisions. Like for instance, who ends up agreeing to pay to lay the water and sewer lines to his propertry. I've not made premature and prejudiced decision in the abscence of all of the facts as you and the usual suspects obviously have.
No different than the ordinary citizen? How many of you have spent about 8 hours reading and studying the applicable law and many rlevant studies and articles?
How may citizens have a phone call in to the JDA director for the FACTS, as I do at this very momnet. How may will report said facts accurately and truthfully to the public via their blog?
Yeah, I'm pretty average.
"The Atlanta Development Authority (ADA), as the City's redevelopment agent, controls the TAD accounts in cooperation with the City."
You see, the TADs were issued BY the City of Atlanta, hence the Atlanta Development Authority. If you had been at the meeting Monday, you would have heard me explain that differnt jurisdictionsd can and do use their existing Housing Authorities or Development Authorities. However, the clean way to do it, to avoid the eminent domain issue, is toi create a new TAD Authority for no ohter purpose thamn to administer the governmental unit's issued TADs.
Why would our COUNTY JDA administer a CITY TAD?
When I get a call back from David Keating, I'll let you know the Camden JDA's involvement in this, if any.
Yeah, Good luck with that!!!!
Do you actually believe Keating will put all his cards on the table for you? If he does he will be unemployed!
Moreno said:
No, I did not take the knee jerk, dog-in-the-manger, anti-progress, anti-damned outsider, GOB stand that you would have preferred. I'm still awaiting further decisions. Like for instance, who ends up agreeing to pay to lay the water and sewer lines to his propertry. I've not made premature and prejudiced decision in the abscence of all of the facts as you and the usual suspects obviously have.
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No we just have access to more information than YOU. No knee jerk, dog-in-the-manger, anti-progress, anti-damned outsider, GOB stand, just want whats best for the taxpayers; not some want-to-be developer. Once you get the answer to who will pay to lay the pipes, you will be close to catching up.
Well, the JDA will either tell me the truth or lie. He has done nothing to date to make me doubt his word.
I already know what youy know - that Drury wants the city to pay 100% of the cost of laying the pipes. That is just his initial bargaining position. I would take that and the talk of incorporating his own city or going with the county or Kingsland with a grain of salt. If this,the TAD and the availability of the way more than ample water and sewer capacity NOW from St. Marys, were not the best option for his development, he would not have been there Monday night. The city should ask him to pay for the lines.
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No we just have access to more information than YOU.
Really? Who are "we" and how do you have more access to more info than I do? If so, kindly share it with us.
Anonymous said...
Good job........
I agree, the City should'nt pay for the lines.
July 22, 2009 11:53 AM
Okay, it's 1418 HRS, Wednesday, 7/22. I just got off of the phone with David Keating, Executuve Director of the JDA.
He informed my that the JDA is one of the entities that COULD legally be tapped to administer the laurel Island TAD, but has neither been approached to nor agreed to. Moreover, the JDA does not have any eminent domain powers.
My personal preference, assuming that after all the negotiations are done, this thing looks like a risk worth taking and gets by the referendum, is tha ther city create a new St. Marys TAD Authority.
As to the question of the JDA being involved in something to do with the old mill property: yes, they are. They had a regular JDA meeting (which slipped by me) this past Friday. The minutes are available at their office, but not yet on line. Thye are discussing a "public-private partnership" with the JDA, the St. Marys DDA, and the Durango bankruptcy trustee.
The trustee would be tghe "private" party. They would enlist other ptrivate partners. The goal is to re-develop the mill property. The belly-up developers who had the first go at it would not be in the mix. A TAD or a similar arrangement called a PILOT (Payment in Lieu of Taxes) might be utilized in redeveloping the mill, with public approval by referendum - that is, assuming that a TAD Authority has not previously been established for some other initial St. Marys TAD.
I'm not as alarmed by this as some. By the time any plans are firm enough to vote on, be it the voters at large or city council votong on it, we should know whether or not the economy has come back and how strong.
Another thing: in Gordon Jackson's coverage of the TAD meeting, he wrote that Keating was a supporter of Drury's request for a Laurel Island TAD. He pointed out to me today that what he actually siad was that he was not there for the purpose of endorsing the TAD, but only to state that TADs are a powerful developent tool and have been used very successfully in other parts of Georgia. I was sitting about 3 feet from him when he said it and that conforms perfectly with my recollection of his comments as well.
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